An
interview by « Be Curious TV » with Nabil
Antaki a
Syrian physician, and a Christian, who appeals to the West to open
its eyes to the misinformation it is being fed.
16/06/2016 BeCuriousTV: « Welcome, Dr. Nabil Antaki. Please share with us what is happening in Aleppo and in Syria. You have been to Europe for a short while. You are Syrian, born in Syria and residing in Aleppo. You work as a doctor at the St Louis Hospital, in West Aleppo, meaning the area under the control of the regime. The people in the West do not realize what goes on in Syria after dusk. They could well ask which is worse, the violence perpetrated by the Syrian regime or that of the terrorists or “rebels”. This antagonism is reflected in the heart of our media, where on the one hand there are those who say that Bashar al Assad’s regime is terrifying his people, and on the other side those who maintain that Assad’s forces are defending their people against the “armed jihadis”.
Dr
Antaki: First
of all I would like to clear up the so-called and often repeated
« Assad
regime and « Assad army » confusion, which we do NOT
appreciate in Syria. All over the media you read about Bashar’s
aviation, Bashar’s army, while actually it’s the Syrian army,
the army of the Syrian State, and when you said I live in the West of
Aleppo, which is under the control of a « regime », no,
it’s the control of the Syrian state. Our people are not afraid of
the Syrian army, because it’s an army that is defending all of
Syria against terrorists who have invaded Syria in order to set up
their Islamic state. This is why we should let everyone know that the
Syrian people are not afraid of the Syrian army because it is not the
army of a « regime », as the media would have it, the
people are actually very grateful for the presence of the Syrian
army. Allow me to make an example. A few months ago the Syrian army
went on the offensive to bring some relief to Aleppo which has been
surrounded and besieged [by the terrorists] for the past 3 years.
According to the Western media, it was the Syrian army that was
setting siege to the Syrian people in Aleppo, while in fact the
opposite was true, i.e. the Syrian army was trying to put a halt to
the three years of terrorist siege of Aleppo. So, no, people are not
afraid of the Syrian army, they are afraid of the terrorists.
BCT:
So let me get this clear: the media of the West are not sending
accurate news on what is being lived out in Aleppo? »
NA:
That’s exactly
it. The Western media only report the events in East Aleppo. Since
2012 Aleppo has been cut into two. Three hundred thousand people live
in the areas under the control of the terrorists to the East, while
the remaining three quarters of the population, about 1.5 million
people, live in the Western areas, which are under the control of the
Syrian government.
So
when we listen to what the Western media say is happening in Aleppo,
they are focusing only on the Eastern area. When we cry out for help
for Aleppo, it gets transformed into a cry for East Aleppo alone.
When the media announced that the last pediatrician of Aleppo had
been killed, it’s not true, because in West Aleppo there are about
100 pediatricians. Perhaps that was the last pediatrician in the
other area, I have no idea, I have no information, but what I do know
is that the inhabitants of the Eastern section live under the control
of the terrorists.
BCT:
Have they let them escape from the area?
NA: « From
the very start over a million and a half people ran to West Aleppo
out of fear of the terrorists, but there are also some people who
were afraid to leave, perhaps not having the means to leave, or
afraid of losing what they had accumulated in the course of their
lives, their little apartment, their TV. They thought that if they
left they were liable to lose all they had, so they decided to
remain, not out of ideological reasons but for practical purposes
they preferred to stay put.
BCT:
You have just told me about East Aleppo, which is under the control
of the terrorists. Please explain to us the difference between the
terrorists and the « rebels ».
NA: At
the beginning of the war in Syria there were many different groups
which included a tiny fraction of the democratic opposition, but
most were terrorist groups intent on establishing an Islamic state.
In the course of time these groups have been absorbed by the
terrorist groups, which currently represent over 95% of the hundreds
of armed opposition groups present in Syria. Therefore the Free
Syrian Army and the opposition which are not terrorist, but are
nonetheless armed, represent a mere 5% of the armed groups, the rest
all being terrorists. The main terrorist groups are DAESH [ISIS] and
Al Nusra. These two groups have been added to the list of
“terrorists” by the United States and by Russia so that everyone
has the right to target them from the air. However, there are other
groups that come from Al Nusra, an affiliate of Al Qaeda, which have
not yet been classified as terrorists. Among these are three main
groups, Jaish al Islam [Army of Islam], Ahrar al Sham and Jaish al
Fatah [Army of Conquest]. These three groups have been created by Al
Nusra to avoid being included in the list of terrorists, however they
originated in Al Nusra which is Al Qaeda in Syria. So, when
these three groups are added to the list of terrorist groups, which
will allow them to be neutralized, all we will have left will be the
armed groups that don’t act as terrorists with whom we have managed
to negotiate and reach a political compromise. »
BCT:
«And what about the refugees? 12 million people in search of
shelter.
NA: Half
of the population of Syria has moved. There are 23 million people in
Syria and 12 million have been thrown out of their homes, 3.5 million
have sought refuge in neighboring countries such as Turkey, Lebanon
and Jordan. 8 million are internally displaced people who have not
left Syria but have been forced to leave their homes. This situation
is very serious and these people need assistance just as much as
those who have left the country. U.N. agencies focus only on the
people who live in refugee camps outside of Syria. All these people
are not running away from the acts of the Assad « regime »
or of the Assad army, as depicted by the media. These people are not
running from Assad’s government, nor from the Syrian army, nor
from the hypothetical actions of one of these groups. These people
are either running away from the battle zones or from penury.
Most
of the Syrian people now live below the poverty threshhold. 80%
of the population of Aleppo depend on the food packages provided by
NGO’s. These people are poor. They have run out of their savings.
Those who have lost their jobs, those who had assets such as a
workshop or a factory, a store, have lost everything. These people
are penniless, they are fleeing this misery and the battle zones.
They are also worried about the future of their children; they have
put up with the war for 2, 3, even 4 years, but the war has been
going on for 5 years and they want to ensure their children’s
future by taking the decision to pick up and seek a future somewhere
else, to begin a new life.
BCT:
How have the Syrians weathered the economic sanctions and embargoes
imposed on them by the West since the beginning of the war?
NA: They
are disgusted with these sanctions because these sanctions and
embargoes are not against the government of Syria but against the
Syrian people, all of the Syrian people. For example, I personally,
as someone who lives in Syria, have lost the right to do even the
tiniest of operations. If I want to send 1000 dollars to my children,
I am unable to. I can neither import nor export anything. This means
paralysis. I am a doctor, I wanted to replace a part of a piece of
some medical instruments. Normally this would have taken a week. In
this case it took a year and a half to get the piece because we had
to import it from Japan. So you see, it is the Syrian people who are
hurt by these sanctions and at a certain point the EU did revoke them
but only for the people who live in the areas under the control of
the terrorists! The people who live in the areas under the control of
the Syrian government weren’t allowed to do a thing. Contrary to
their intentions, these sanctions do not penalize the
« regime », they punish the people of Syria.
BCT: « You
are a Christian. A Christian of the Middle East. If one were to shed
doubt on how balanced your point of view might be, what would be your
reaction?
NA: I
am not talking to you as Nabil Antaki the Christian, I am talking as
Nabil Antaki the Syrian who has witnessed his country being attacked
and destroyed. It’s not a matter of being Christian or Muslim,
Syria is an ethnic and religious mosaic. There are eleven different
Christian churches and as many different Muslim faiths, and it’s
not because the Syrian government protects the minorities that we
support it. No, the government is secular, it protects everyone,
whether minority or majority, all are respected within Syria. It’s
a secular « regime ». Differently from the Islamic state
which absolutely does not respect the minorities. If the Christians
are pro -government or pro Syrian state it is because from the very
beginning they came out for the secular state, in opposition to an
Islamic state. The current President is very popular. I myself am not
actually one of his fans, I defend Syria not the President. But his
popularity is objectively undeniable and in my opinion if we had free
elections tomorrow, based on international law, affording the right
to vote to all Syrians, including those displaced abroad, we would
see this President of ours re-elected. The West has never understood
this. Assad was popular at the beginning of the war against Syria,
and support for him today is even stronger, not because he defends
minorities, which is what the media would have people believe, but
because he defends all Syrians. Christians make up about ’8% of the
Syrian population, so when you say that Assad is popular because he
defends the Christians and that this is why the Christians support
Assad, it’s a joke. Whether we are for or against him has no effect
on his popularity. We have neither armed groups nor arms, and we are
just 8%
of the population. Assad
is popular with all the groups and sectors of our society, therefore
if we want this war to end we have to stop demanding as one of the
conditions that Assad leave. We have to negotiate with him, conduct
free elections and work for democracy.
BCT:
Allow me to take up a few issues that you have mentioned. You speak
of Assad’s enormous popularity. But was it enormous in 2011 too?
NA:
That is the issue! When the problems began, there were demonstrations
against Bashar that numbered ten to fifteen thousand participants at
most. These demonstrations were broadcast on televisions and the
numbers were enormously exaggerated, up to one or two hundred
thousand. On the other hand, massive spontaneous demonstrations were
generated in the streets in support of the Assad government, in
Aleppo, in Damascus, in all of the big cities. Over a million people
who supported Bashar. No one filmed these demonstrations, or perhaps
I should say no one broadcast them in the West. Hence, the organic
demonstrations of millions of people have been ignored, while the few
thousands who protested in the streets against Bashar were inflated
beyond all recognition and highly exaggerated. From the outset there
was an enormous amount of prejudice and partiality on the part of the
media. Assad has always been very popular and this hasn’t changed.
He may be even more popular than in the last years before the war. …
Life wasn’t perfect but no one wanted the war, they wanted reforms.
Even the most explicit enemies of the government did not want war and
most certainly not this war. They wanted reforms and they wanted
democracy, but no one wanted to kill Syria in order to improve Syria.
BCT: We
have two coalitions on the ground in Syria, in your opinion how
effective are they? »
NA:
In my opinion the international coalition is ineffective because it
is impossible to be on the same side. There is a coalition of the
United States and Europe with Turkey and the Gulf States and at the
same time we know that Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are financing
the jihadis, Daesh, Al Nusra. On the one hand they want to fight
against the terrorists, on the other hand they are helping them. This
is a complete aberration.
Besides,
the Kurds in Syria have also taken up arms against DAESH. The United
States has found an ally in the Kurds in the fight against DAESH.
However Turkey is completely against arming the Kurds and therefore
fights against them. So we have two countries who are allies, the
United States and Turkey, but one of them is allied to the Kurds and
the other is against them, this can never work. There are too many
contradictions within the Western coalition and this is why it hasn’t
achieved a thing. Before the Russian intervention, the air strikes of
the coalition were mere cosmetics… They began to be effective only
after Russia stepped in.
From
our point of view, the Russian intervention has been extremely
advantageous and it has the full support of the Syrian people, which
contradicts the Western narration. The West accuses Russia of
striking not only the terrorist groups but also the “moderate
rebels”. Russia has been very successful at bombing the groups of
the Islamic state, so now the West is trying to slow them down,
maintaining that they are not targeting the terrorist groups and
accusing Russia of helping Bashar instead of attacking DAESH. Of
course this is untrue, when the West does the bombing everything is
ok but when Russia wants to bomb, it doesn’t do it well enough.
BCT:
How do you think the Western media are depicting the facts on the
ground in Syria?
NA:
The Western media are not impartial. They are biased, they are
against the Syrian state. They support the terrorist-rebels. We do
not request that they be for or against the « regime »,
we simply ask that they look at things objectively.
BCT:
What do you feel like saying as your personal point of view? »
NA:
« All I want to say to the West is to be more objective.
Educate yourselves, don’t accept disinformation, put pressure on
your governments because Syria is a country that wants its freedom,
its prosperity and its democracy. The war has destroyed us, we have
had enough, we want it to stop!
traduzione in inglese di Alessandra Nucci
